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Everyone knows about them. We are talking about recasts: illegal copies of miniatures. No well known miniature company is safe from this practice. Copies from recasters, most of the time from China, are at first glance an option to acquire otherwise expensive miniatures at affordable prices. However, by doing so we are ignoring the damage that this does to the industry behind this hobby of ours. Believe it or not, this industry grows out of passion and love, the same we pour on every project on our workbench. Famous search engines of Chinese products show easily references of companies like Andrea MiniaturesNocturna ModelsYoung MiniaturesKnight Modelsand many others. Even so, I think this issue began with Chinese copies of Forgeworld references. Without remorse, there was a supplier that recasted the catalog of Games Workshop and Forgeworld reselling it at a ridiculous price. Despite every measure taken, with the evolution of websites and social networks, recasting has become nearly unstoppable. Illegal sellers proliferate on second-hand portals, ebay, e-mail contacts and even mobile aplications for peer to peer trading. The difficult thing is to develop a miniature from scratch, starting with an idea that begins with just a few pencil strokes on paper. All that artistic work, ranging from concept, development, sculpting, marketing or quality control, has a price. We basically pay to perpetuate the work of each and every one of the artists involved in the birth of this miniature. There is no better way to understand the lousy quality of these recasts than by putting them in front of their originals. Although you will see the very evident differences, during this comparison you will find the original piece on the left pictures and the recast to the right. For a better comparison, I have cleaned all the copies of excess resin and plastic. This had to be done because it was nearly impossible to identify many of the pieces that came attached to large blobs of resin. Also, the resin used for the recasts is a very smelly material, with a very weak and brittle body, and you have to be careful with it at all times. In addition, as you will see later, the casting is not good and irregular surfaces of material are very evident. There are sticky areas and others that are shiny showing where the resin has not properly cured because of a bad preparation mixture. As expected, the pieces to assemble are the same as the original. They are very complicated to clean, and with a lot of burrs.
Recasts: 3 reasons why we need to avoid illegal or unauthorized miniature copies
This message was edited 1 time. Forum Index. Dakka Discussions. Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now. Why Aye Ya Canny Dakkanaughts! I was talking to a friend today and he told me about this guy he saw get kicked out of a FLGS because he was using 3d printed models. But then I started thinking: 3d printed models are pretty easy to spot because of the not quite right shape and the printing lines, but what about recasts? The sign of a recast model is double mild lines and imperfect details but once someone has cleaned up the model by removing extra mold lines and remodelled any missing details with greenstuff and then painted it all up, how can you tell it's a recast? Anyone have any experience with finding a recast model that's been cleaned up and painted or is it an impossible task? Ghorros wrote: The moral of the story: Don't park your Imperial Knight in a field of Gretchin carrying power tools. Marmatag wrote: All the while, my opponent is furious, throwing his codex on the floor, trying to slash his wrists with safety scissors. Probably work. Usually, double mold lines. And that certain details are warped and distorted. In truth, the only way you can spot some of them is to put them beside the real thing, often before they're assembled and painted. Once properly modeled, assembled, and painted- it can be harder to tell. I was amused to discover that an Aeldari weapon classification directly translates to 'Mandiblasters'. That is quite clever, that translation. Devon, UK. We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense! It's hard for me to take issue with recasters. It's not going to be welcome at our local GW store anyway Though I'm still trying to figure out how GW can ban their own productso I might as well use it. I'd just issue a friendly "Dakka vet" warning to the thread that it's probably advisable to stay away from the broader topic of the rights and wrongs of recasting, it always gets heated and the thread always ends up locked as a result. There's been no substantive change in IP law anywhere in the world likely to be relevant, to my knowledge, and people's own morality is unlikely to change significantly, so there not going to be any new arguments, just the same dance to the same inevitable conclusion. Murray, Kentucky. Pittsburgh, PA. I know I've been sold knock offs two times. The first model was quite noticible. It was a Terminator Chaplain.
A list of possible eBay sellers that are selling inlegal copies. Many of them I got letters from GW legal stating that the items I bought where recast. In some cases I have high suspect. Most of the times I got a fast reply, and when applicable a letter to upload to Paypal to obtain a full refund for my item. Russian selelr selling FW recast. Russian seller selling both FW and GW recast. Claims Malta but he is from Italy. I got 5 models from him, all sent. For all 5 models I got confirmation these were recast. Brazilian selling both FW and GW recast. Metal recast are horrible. Sent them to GW and where found as recast. Chinese seller selling FW and poor quality metal recast. I sent some items to GW and got confirmation that they where all recast. This is just an assumption, but look at his selling history. Item I bought was very suspicius. Italian based seller, he is buying from China or Russia and selling them on eBay. I got proof item was reported to FW proved to be fake. US seller, very suspicius. Bought a few items from him, all sort of suspicius. Selling lots and lots of very rare items and in big quantity. I am waiting on a model from him to send GW. UK based. Sold 50 identical copies of the same Unreleased GW figure in a 3 month period. USA based sellers, I do suspect they are all related to each other. I bought a few figs from 2 of them and proved to be fakes. They have identical items for sale and always the same sets. UK based seller, selling large units over and over. I have followed this seller for a while. Very suspicious. I am waiting for one of his item to send it to GW to have it verified. Polish recaster, I personally bought from him, and got confirmation by GW that they are recast models. The models where WM Dragon Princes. Metal was dark, no white metal, quality good, but shrinkage was considerable. These are well known stores selling recast of some major brands. In most cases I found the discount not worth the hassole. Remeber foreign countries shipping takes a lot of time and customs may hit your package making the purchase more expensive. Is it worth it? Changed their name many times, now operating via email sending emails with links to the actual catalog. Mainly Forgeworld and resin copies of Games Workshop plastic kits. Also several Rackham miniatures. All I can say is that the metal quality is horrible. I got several figs from them, all ended up at GW legal that promptly provided me with a letter to get a refund via Paypal. Another Russian based store. Never used personaly, but got good indication that they are selling recasts. Any information on them please contact me. Same as above, mainly FW recast, same story after the purchase I was suspicius. Sent them to GW and all where confirmed as recast models. I have been told they are not Russian but French. Can anyone confirm. The strange thing is that they have a UK based office? With a phone number? From the homepage:. All I know is that they sell recast miniatures, just ordered a week ago a few items, the package hopefully will give me their address or at least the country of origin. I suspect them beeing from Russia. Russian based, selling mainly FW recasts. Lets see if they won't rapear under a new store or name. I saved the box with the address I received it from. But for now they are clean as far as I can see. Coolcastornot China.